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PRIVACY Forum Digest Friday, 3 December 1993 Volume 02 : Issue 36 Moderated by Lauren Weinstein (email@example.com) Vortex Technology, Woodland Hills, CA, U.S.A. ===== PRIVACY FORUM ===== The PRIVACY Forum digest is supported in part by the ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy. CONTENTS Re: "On the Road to Nosiness?" (Paul Robinson) Re: "On the Road to Nosiness?" (Randall Davis) Re: "On the Road to Nosiness?" (Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond) Re: Privacy of cellular phones (Brinton Cooper) Re: Privacy of cellular phones (Martin Minow) Digitized Photos (Mich Kabay) United Parcel Service signatures (Jim Carroll) GPO Access Act Implementation Proceeds; Electronic FOIA Bill Introduced; OMB Proposes Government Information Locator Service; (ALA Washington Office) New Docs Reveal NSA Role in Telephony Proposal (Dave Banisar) Sen. Simon Introduces Major Privacy Bill; Senator Simon's Statement on Introduction; Privacy Commission Bill Section Headings; Bill to Remove Crypto Export Controls Introduced in House; (Dave Banisar) A study of National Cryptography Policy (Marjory Blumenthal) DIAC-94 Call for Participation (Paul Hyland) *** Please include a RELEVANT "Subject:" line on all submissions! *** *** Submissions without them may be ignored! *** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Internet PRIVACY Forum is a moderated digest for the discussion and analysis of issues relating to the general topic of privacy (both personal and collective) in the "information age" of the 1990's and beyond. The moderator will choose submissions for inclusion based on their relevance and content. Submissions will not be routinely acknowledged. 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For information regarding the availability of this digest via FAX, please send an inquiry to email@example.com, call (818) 225-2800, or FAX to (818) 225-7203. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- VOLUME 02, ISSUE 36 Quote for the day: "Don't torture yourself Gomez--that's my job." -- Morticia Addams (Anjelica Huston) "The Addams Family" (Theatrical; 1991) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 12:20:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Tansin A. Darcos & Company" <0005066432@MCIMAIL.COM> Subject: Re: "On the Road to Nosiness?" ---- From: Paul Robinson <TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM> Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA ----- "Joel A. Fine" <joel@postgres.Berkeley.EDU>, writes: > Dan Gillmor writes: > > ...suppose some future road officials decide to install new > > cameras and higher-capacity transmission lines, allowing the > > system to scan locations, license-plate numbers and drivers' > > faces into the computer. > > A similar system is already in place in Campbell, California, and > several nearby municipalities, for the purpose of enforcing speed > limits. An unmanned radar-camera combination automatically > photographs speeding motorists and records their speed at the time > the picture was taken. Several days later, the driver receives a > copy of the photo, along with a bill for the appropriate fine for > the traffic violation. The driver never talks with, or sees, a > traffic cop. They probably repealed the old law that required that an infraction be witnessed by a police officer. Mere pictures of the same should not be sufficient. Photo radar makes me sick and I abhor its existence as just another form of fascist state control. Now you are removed from arguing that a person made a mistake, you have to argue that the (presumably infallible) camera made a mistake, a much higher presumption of guilt having been foisted upon you. The California State Constitution requirement that requires that any person charged with a criminal offense be tried by a jury (and it does not exempt mere fines; ALL criminal cases are supposed to be so triable) is routinely ignored as well. --- Note: All mail is read/responded every day. If a message is sent to this account, and you expect a reply, if one is not received within 24 hours, resend your message; some systems do not send mail to MCI Mail correctly. Paul Robinson - TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Nov 93 19:44:14 est From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Randall Davis) Subject: Re: "On the Road to Nosiness?" Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1993 10:24:54 -0800 From: "Joel A. Fine" <joel@postgres.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: "On the Road to Nosiness?" Dan Gillmor writes: > ...suppose some future road officials decide to install new > cameras and higher-capacity transmission lines, allowing the > system to scan locations, license-plate numbers and drivers' > faces into the computer. A similar system is already in place in Campbell, California, and several nearby municipalities, for the purpose of enforcing speed limits. An unmanned radar-camera combination automatically photographs speeding motorists and records their speed at the time the picture was taken. Several days later, the driver receives a copy of the photo, along with a bill for the appropriate fine for the traffic violation. A (NJ?) newspaper carried a story a few years back about a driver who had received one of those photos and tickets, and who responded by mailing in a photograph of the appropriate amount of money. The Motor Vehicle folks replied by mailing him a photo of a pair of handcuffs. He paid up. [ I've heard this story before, and I'm still not completely convinced that this "handcuffs photo" response actually occurred. In any case, it's an amusing story. -- MODERATOR ] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1993 11:02:52 +0000 From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <email@example.com> Subject: Re: "On the Road to Nosiness?" > Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1993 10:24:54 -0800 > From: "Joel A. Fine" <joel@postgres.Berkeley.EDU> > Subject: Re: "On the Road to Nosiness?" > [ on the subject of roadside cameras ] > A similar system is already in place in Campbell, California, and > several nearby municipalities, for the purpose of enforcing speed > limits. An unmanned radar-camera combination automatically photographs > speeding motorists and records their speed at the time the picture was > taken. Several days later, the driver receives a copy of the photo, > along with a bill for the appropriate fine for the traffic violation. > The driver never talks with, or sees, a traffic cop. Here in London such a scheme has been active for over a year. The cameras actually have a film inside them. One of the first days of trial, the police thought that they'd be able to use one film for more than a week. The film was used-up in a few hours. Since that time, of course, the London motorist has trained to recognise the cameras and slow-down at their sight (only to pick-up speed a few hundred yards later ;-) As a result, it is rumoured that not all cameras have a film in them, but since nobody wants to take a chance, they have the desired effect of slowing down the traffic and making it adhere to the speed limits. A "nice" touch is the flash that the camera has, so that you can be seen even at night. A disturbing thought, however is what one feels in the middle of the night, say at 3:00am, when nobody is around, the speed limit is ridiculously low, and you're alone in the car. When passing by the cameras, you always feel that someone is watching you. Definitely not my cup of tea as far as the future is concerned. -- Olivier M.J. Crepin-Leblond, Digital Comms. Section, Elec. Eng. Department Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine, London SW7 2BT, UK Internet/Bitnet: <firstname.lastname@example.org> - Janet:
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